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		<title>By: lyzazel - Linas</title>
		<link>http://ikindalikelanguages.com/blog/it-is-far-easier-just-to-learn-the-basics/comment-page-1/#comment-864</link>
		<dc:creator>lyzazel - Linas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all of your points are legit.

The reality is that there is just a lot of possible reasons somebody might have for learning a language and there is a lot of different outcomes that they might wish depending on the particular reason. 

Posts like mine are attempts to characterize the complex specter of human experiences into a single categorical suggestion and since life doesn&#039;t work like that my suggestion shouldn&#039;t be taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all of your points are legit.</p>
<p>The reality is that there is just a lot of possible reasons somebody might have for learning a language and there is a lot of different outcomes that they might wish depending on the particular reason. </p>
<p>Posts like mine are attempts to characterize the complex specter of human experiences into a single categorical suggestion and since life doesn&#8217;t work like that my suggestion shouldn&#8217;t be taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: S.D.I.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.D.I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the premise, but not the method. What I would do is learn through context, by listening to songs and reading stuff and so on, and then think if the word is a word you&#039;d likely use (for example, when I listen to a Dutch rap song I reason that &#039;stang&#039; [bar] would be less ueseful than &#039;boos&#039; [angry] because I do have emotions but am not a drinker). I did learn a list of the top few dozen Spanish verbs when I was towards the beginning of my Spanish study and it did help me quite a lot, but I would limit it to very early learning.

I also wouldn&#039;t agree that a superficial understanding of lots of languages is better than a deep understanding of a few. What if you want to read literature in a language? Or study at a university in the country? Or are marrying a speaker? There are very good reasons for ind-depth language study. Furthermore, when do you know when to stop? How conversationally proficient is enough? Language skill exists on a continuum. I guess you&#039;re advocating learning a lot of languages to B1 level, but even that requires quite a lot of work.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the premise, but not the method. What I would do is learn through context, by listening to songs and reading stuff and so on, and then think if the word is a word you&#8217;d likely use (for example, when I listen to a Dutch rap song I reason that &#8216;stang&#8217; [bar] would be less ueseful than &#8216;boos&#8217; [angry] because I do have emotions but am not a drinker). I did learn a list of the top few dozen Spanish verbs when I was towards the beginning of my Spanish study and it did help me quite a lot, but I would limit it to very early learning.</p>
<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t agree that a superficial understanding of lots of languages is better than a deep understanding of a few. What if you want to read literature in a language? Or study at a university in the country? Or are marrying a speaker? There are very good reasons for ind-depth language study. Furthermore, when do you know when to stop? How conversationally proficient is enough? Language skill exists on a continuum. I guess you&#8217;re advocating learning a lot of languages to B1 level, but even that requires quite a lot of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this was dumb at all, though I think a really great opportunity was missed.

The most important thing that should be said, of course, is that no language is made up of only 8 words... that&#039;s just convenient for an example. No one is going to learn a handful of words and suddenly be useful in that language.

However, it&#039;s not hard to find frequency lists for vocabulary.  In fact, it&#039;s the use of a frequency list for Russian that I believe helped me the most on my goal to being fluent so quickly in such a difficult language.  

For those who aren&#039;t familiar, a frequency list is simply a list of the most commonly used words in a language, ranked by how often they appear. The data is usually based on a broad sample of data including books, newspapers, transcribed speeches, etc.

A frequency list for English, for instance, might start out with &quot;the, a/an, it, he, my, I, you, where, how, love, us&quot; etc.

While you&#039;re not going to be useful after learning even the first 10 words, I could make a strong case for the first 100.  And it&#039;s reasonable to say that knowing the most common 1,000 words in a language will make you conversational (within reason) and equip you to understand 40% or more of what you encounter on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this was dumb at all, though I think a really great opportunity was missed.</p>
<p>The most important thing that should be said, of course, is that no language is made up of only 8 words&#8230; that&#8217;s just convenient for an example. No one is going to learn a handful of words and suddenly be useful in that language.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s not hard to find frequency lists for vocabulary.  In fact, it&#8217;s the use of a frequency list for Russian that I believe helped me the most on my goal to being fluent so quickly in such a difficult language.  </p>
<p>For those who aren&#8217;t familiar, a frequency list is simply a list of the most commonly used words in a language, ranked by how often they appear. The data is usually based on a broad sample of data including books, newspapers, transcribed speeches, etc.</p>
<p>A frequency list for English, for instance, might start out with &#8220;the, a/an, it, he, my, I, you, where, how, love, us&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>While you&#8217;re not going to be useful after learning even the first 10 words, I could make a strong case for the first 100.  And it&#8217;s reasonable to say that knowing the most common 1,000 words in a language will make you conversational (within reason) and equip you to understand 40% or more of what you encounter on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this was dumb at all, though I think a really great opportunity was missed.

The most important thing that should be said, of course, is that no language is made up of only 8 words... that&#039;s just convenient for an example. No one is going to learn a handful of words and suddenly be useful in that language.

However, it&#039;s not hard to find frequency lists for vocabulary.  In fact, it&#039;s the use of a frequency list for Russian that I believe helped me the most on my goal to being fluent so quickly in such a difficult language.  

For those who aren&#039;t familiar, a frequency list is simply a list of the most commonly used words in a language, ranked by how often they appear. The data is usually based on a broad sample of data including books, newspapers, transcribed speeches, etc.

A frequency list for English, for instance, might start out with &quot;the, a/an, it, he, my, I, you, where, how, love, us&quot; etc.

While you&#039;re not going to be useful after learning even the first 10 words, I could make a strong case for the first 100.  And it&#039;s reasonable to say that knowing the most common 1,000 words in a language will make you conversational (within reason) and equip you to understand 40% or more of what you encounter on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this was dumb at all, though I think a really great opportunity was missed.</p>
<p>The most important thing that should be said, of course, is that no language is made up of only 8 words&#8230; that&#8217;s just convenient for an example. No one is going to learn a handful of words and suddenly be useful in that language.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s not hard to find frequency lists for vocabulary.  In fact, it&#8217;s the use of a frequency list for Russian that I believe helped me the most on my goal to being fluent so quickly in such a difficult language.  </p>
<p>For those who aren&#8217;t familiar, a frequency list is simply a list of the most commonly used words in a language, ranked by how often they appear. The data is usually based on a broad sample of data including books, newspapers, transcribed speeches, etc.</p>
<p>A frequency list for English, for instance, might start out with &#8220;the, a/an, it, he, my, I, you, where, how, love, us&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>While you&#8217;re not going to be useful after learning even the first 10 words, I could make a strong case for the first 100.  And it&#8217;s reasonable to say that knowing the most common 1,000 words in a language will make you conversational (within reason) and equip you to understand 40% or more of what you encounter on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that must be the first time ever in the history of the internet, that such an aggressive post has been received so calmly and with such an open mind :)&lt;br&gt;Again, I need to apologize for the agressivness, one shouldn&#039;t write when the blood is boiling ;) &lt;br&gt;Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that must be the first time ever in the history of the internet, that such an aggressive post has been received so calmly and with such an open mind :)<br />Again, I need to apologize for the agressivness, one shouldn&#39;t write when the blood is boiling ;) <br />Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that must be the first time ever in the history of the internet, that such an aggressive post has been received so calmly and with such an open mind :)Again, I need to apologize for the agressivness, one shouldn&#039;t write when the blood is boiling ;) Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that must be the first time ever in the history of the internet, that such an aggressive post has been received so calmly and with such an open mind :)Again, I need to apologize for the agressivness, one shouldn&#039;t write when the blood is boiling ;) Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: lyzazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyzazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. I guess that was pretty dumb. :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could go on saying that some people could still learn from it, etc. but that&#039;s not necessary: I know we could do better. I&#039;ll still leave the post for some time, though, just to preserve history.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I like your bluntness there (I really do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re right. I guess that was pretty dumb. :)</p>
<p>I could go on saying that some people could still learn from it, etc. but that&#39;s not necessary: I know we could do better. I&#39;ll still leave the post for some time, though, just to preserve history.</p>
<p>And I like your bluntness there (I really do).</p>
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		<title>By: lyzazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyzazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. I guess that was pretty dumb. :)I could go on saying that some people could still learn from it, etc. but that&#039;s not necessary: I know we could do better. I&#039;ll still leave the post for some time, though, just to preserve history.And I like your bluntness there (I really do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re right. I guess that was pretty dumb. :)I could go on saying that some people could still learn from it, etc. but that&#039;s not necessary: I know we could do better. I&#039;ll still leave the post for some time, though, just to preserve history.And I like your bluntness there (I really do).</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 05:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You went through all that effort just to prove the retarded point that you should learn words like eat, pee, and fight (or any arbitrary number of high-frequency words) in many languages? Seriously? Don&#039;t take me wrong, I like your blog, but I already regret the 10 seconds it took me to skim through that article.. how long did you write on that? Don&#039;t you have anything better to do?&lt;br&gt;That comes off as pretty agressive, sorry, but it&#039;s a stupid argument built on a stupid basis, and I&#039;m used to better content on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You went through all that effort just to prove the retarded point that you should learn words like eat, pee, and fight (or any arbitrary number of high-frequency words) in many languages? Seriously? Don&#39;t take me wrong, I like your blog, but I already regret the 10 seconds it took me to skim through that article.. how long did you write on that? Don&#39;t you have anything better to do?<br />That comes off as pretty agressive, sorry, but it&#39;s a stupid argument built on a stupid basis, and I&#39;m used to better content on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 05:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You went through all that effort just to prove the retarded point that you should learn words like eat, pee, and fight (or any arbitrary number of high-frequency words) in many languages? Seriously? Don&#039;t take me wrong, I like your blog, but I already regret the 10 seconds it took me to skim through that article.. how long did you write on that? Don&#039;t you have anything better to do?That comes off as pretty agressive, sorry, but it&#039;s a stupid argument built on a stupid basis, and I&#039;m used to better content on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You went through all that effort just to prove the retarded point that you should learn words like eat, pee, and fight (or any arbitrary number of high-frequency words) in many languages? Seriously? Don&#039;t take me wrong, I like your blog, but I already regret the 10 seconds it took me to skim through that article.. how long did you write on that? Don&#039;t you have anything better to do?That comes off as pretty agressive, sorry, but it&#039;s a stupid argument built on a stupid basis, and I&#039;m used to better content on this blog.</p>
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